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AoT's White Wonder

Postby Brown » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:41 pm

The Engine in picked up upstate for AoT's car was frozen (i thought) so i spayred swome WD-40 into the sylindera dn the dispributer shaft (distributer was not isntalled so shaft was exposed but he engine still would not budge. Lat night on the suggestion of Varnish picked up som PB Blaster and sprayed that in the cylinders and distributer shaft and then just for kicks the tried to turn the engine and low and behold and spun kind of easy. I'm thinking as Glenn R suggested maybe the distributer shaft got jambed and with the engine in the back of my truck it go jostled loose. Anyway no we have two potential engines for her car. The distributer for this engine was also frozen but i sprayed that also and now it spins but not very smoothly.

Both of the engines i have been sitting for a while so what steps should i take befofre trying to fire them up. I have transmiision case i salvaged so i am going to try and start them outside of the car.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:00 pm

You have to free it up first. then do a valve adjustment. I'd spin it with the started and no plugs until you get oil pressure. Then you can try to start it.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Brown » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:05 pm

Is there anything written on a setup for starting the engine outside of car? How to mount the engine, how to set up the gas lines etc, etc?
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby AoT » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:26 pm

Brown wrote:Both of the engines i have been sitting for a while so what steps should i take befofre trying to fire them up. I have transmiision case i salvaged so i am going to try and start them outside of the car.


I feel like the rabbit test just came back positive!! :lol:
Keep working at it and it gets done!!
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:48 pm

Ken... i'll be happy to come over and help you.

You can call and we can discuss what needs to be done. I should have everything needed.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby mannys66 » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:57 pm

Brown wrote:Is there anything written on a setup for starting the engine outside of car? How to mount the engine, how to set up the gas lines etc, etc?

Well, obviously don't mount it upside down would be my first suggestion. I have no second suggestion sorry. I ran out of stupid ideas.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:58 pm

mannys66 wrote:
Brown wrote:Is there anything written on a setup for starting the engine outside of car? How to mount the engine, how to set up the gas lines etc, etc?

Well, obviously don't mount it upside down would be my first suggestion. I have no second suggestion sorry. I ran out of stupid ideas.

Give yourself time. I'm sure you'll come up with a few more... have faith. I do.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby mannys66 » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Glenn wrote:
mannys66 wrote:
Brown wrote:Is there anything written on a setup for starting the engine outside of car? How to mount the engine, how to set up the gas lines etc, etc?

Well, obviously don't mount it upside down would be my first suggestion. I have no second suggestion sorry. I ran out of stupid ideas.

Give yourself time. I'm sure you'll come up with a few more... have faith. I do.

thanks for your vote of confidence buddy.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Raj » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:10 pm

lol
Glenn wrote:I have to say, this "gruppe" is so much more than just a car club.


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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby uBerStehle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:32 am

Remember, wherever you are - YOU ARE ALWAYS HERE!

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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby uBerStehle » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:42 am

all you need is a can of gas, a battery and good hose clamps!
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby BradleyVW » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:29 am

Rob,I like the birds chirping in the background and the hose falling off.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby mannys66 » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:50 am

that fresh air hose fought you tooth and nail
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:01 pm

Third time is the charm.

This one is a 71/72 1600DP with a generator. Ken and i spend 15 minutes and almost got it started. The problem is a torn intake book which causes a massive vacuum leak.

Here's the plan:
remove the shroud and generator
have the alternator Ken supplied tested
remove the intake manifold
remove generator stand
remove the tin and have Audrey clean and paint it

do a valve adjustment
check compression
change the oil
remove inspect and clean the pressure plate and flywheel
check endplay

reinstall sheetmetal
reinstall intake
install alternator stand
reinstall alternator and shroud
reinstall intake with new boots
full tuneup

start engine
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn A » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:29 pm

I might be kind of slow but shouldn't "compression check" and "start it" be before clean and paint it ? Or is that just the list of things to do in no paticular order ?
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:30 pm

I can't start it without fixing the the intake manifold boot.

I'll check compression before giving Audrey the tin.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby mannys66 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:37 pm

Can we paint everything pink since she's a girl
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby AoT » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:17 pm

mannys66 wrote:Can we paint everything pink since she's a girl


Actually RED is my color!! :P But thanks for thinking of me!!
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby AoT » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:28 pm

Glenn wrote:Third time is the charm.

start engine


This the how and why the magic happens. Get the elephant ready!!
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:00 am

AoT wrote:Actually RED is my color!!

No... we're not trading. ;)
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:37 pm

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MICE... I hate mice.
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The pulley is toast... too rusted to use
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Nothing like having a air compressor to clean up between the fins.
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The BAD:
The shroud should be replaced. Two of the 4 bolts holding the alternator backing plate were stripped. So it's best to replace it
The pulley is too rusted and needs to be replaced.
The distributor is a OO9 and a vacuum advance would be better
The two upper cylinder tins are a bit flimsy.

The GOOD:
The engine looks to be in good shape. I have to do a compression test and check the flywheel to know for sure
None of the bolts snapped when taking it apart but the two intake manifold studs on the 1/2 bank came out because the nuts were rusted
The exhaust seems complete and the heater boxes work

What we need:
Dog House fan shroud
Both upper cylinder tins (could use the old ones if we have to)
Crank Pulley
Vacuum distributor, could use the OO9 for now

What's next:
Check compression
Check endplay
Do valve adjustment
Change oil
Reassemble
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Raj » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:12 pm

i have a pulley and can bring it tommorow nite if you want it.
Glenn wrote:I have to say, this "gruppe" is so much more than just a car club.


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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:20 pm

Bring it... Audrey will bring the alternator stand.

Jim said he has a fan shroud.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:28 pm

BTW... this engine was apart at one time. Maybe not totally, but it was apart.
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Re: AoT's White Wonder

Postby Glenn A » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:53 pm

I have a dog house I got from Ken along with tins. I'll bring them incase Jim can't make it .
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