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Uh... that's the bolt.

BIG PROBLEM.

Glenn wrote:Uh... that's the bolt.

BIG PROBLEM.

Can you be more specific? If there was a nut and washer on this when i took it off how did it become a bolt and what damage has this caused?

It's a bolt from the inside and holds the oil pickup to the case. The other 5 are studs.

Glenn wrote:Uh... that's the bolt.

BIG PROBLEM.

The Bentley mentions removing the six cap nuts and washers on the plate. What does the "bolt" you are referring to do?

Glenn wrote:It's a bolt from the inside and holds the oil pickup to the case. The other 5 are studs.

what are the options here? Is the wonder off the road or just making a detour?

Not sure what job the oil pick up does.

If the threads on the shank are stripped you have to cut the stud and back the bolt out from the inside. You take a cheap 10mm open end wrench and bend it 90*. It's a long and tedious job.

Oh boy hope you have small fingers Audrey

Here's what your up against.




This is Jim's engine and it's interesting that it's a stud with a nut and not the usual bolt. If yours is the same it will be a very lucky turn of events.

interesting stuff here.....
Honestly, I dont recall any of the motors I have built, having the bolt. I gotta check my stash of cases when I have a sec.

Audrey, good luck and post up some pics if you can.

Glenn wrote:Here's what your up against.




This is Jim's engine and it's interesting that it's a stud with a nut and not the usual bolt. If yours is the same it will be a very lucky turn of events.

Just curious why this would be a better option? Is it because there are some threads inside the case to work with?

With a nut, you can crack the nut loose and than use visegrips to spin the stud out.

Well this is my deal.....guess I got lucky!











If i can somehow get a nut on the remaining stub stud and secure it ( i know its gnarly looking and a long shot), will that let me avoid having to go through the tedious removal. The stud is threaded thru the plate and is secure. I know it would be ideal to replace the stud but is the issue oil leaking or the oil pickup getting dislodged? There are a few clean threads on the under side of the plate.



Guess I should gear up for removal Ouch!!

Glenn, could she use a die to cut a new albeit slightly smaller thread into this stripped stud? It would just require a smaller size nut. Maybe?

ObnoxiousBlue wrote:Glenn, could she use a die to cut a new albeit slightly smaller thread into this stripped stud? It would just require a smaller size nut. Maybe?

That's a good idea, but I'd start with the stock size and see if you get lucky.
Looks like, either way, that top nut has to come off.

Raj, assuming she has the nut inside the case, or even the bolt through the case. Why does she need to remove it first?
If running a die on it is an alternative, it seems to me that it would be best to try that before going through the painstaking task of trying to remove the nut.
If she is to remove the nut, she may as well replace it.
But if cutting new threads were to work, and hold satisfactorily then that seems like something worth trying first.

ObnoxiousBlue wrote: But if cutting new threads were to work, and hold satisfactorily then that seems like something worth trying first.

this is the first plan of attack. If the object of this stud is to keep the oil pickup stationary and snug up the plate I think this would accomplish that goal. It would add to the Heinz 57 that the Wonder is!!

ObnoxiousBlue wrote:Raj, assuming she has the nut inside the case, or even the bolt through the case. Why does she need to remove it first?
If running a die on it is an alternative, it seems to me that it would be best to try that before going through the painstaking task of trying to remove the nut.
If she is to remove the nut, she may as well replace it.
But if cutting new threads were to work, and hold satisfactorily then that seems like something worth trying first.

My understanding of this was you wanted to rethread the stud in an effort to double nut it and then remove and replace it. Are you suggesting that she rethreads it and crosses her fingers? Either will work, but it prob best to fix it now once and for all.

Raj wrote:but it prob best to fix it now once and for all.

Agreed.

If the stud is stripped. It is unfortunately not likely that there is enough remaining material to cut or even clean new threads on. I vote for get it over with now and fix it right. If you can get a wrench on there it shouldn't be to difficult to crack it loose either turning it or the stud with vise grips. Or if you have acces to a welder weld another nut to the stud and unscrew it out.

If it were mine, I would be bothered knowing that it wasn't right...
But it was made to sound like this is a very difficult repair, looking at the photos I'm not really sure why it's so hard. That doesn't look like a difficult spot to access. Though I'd anticipate the worst part would be the limited space to turn a wrench in there.
The cap nuts don't require any high torque, so if she did retread whats there, and run with a regular nut in it for now, I doubt it would hurt anything so long as she's not leaking.
At least then she can get out and get a bit of use from the car.

Appreciate all the input. In the works to get what I need to get the job done right. I made no effort to even look at it today since the weather is toooo cold and this will be a job that needs patience.

I had overlooked getting the regi done on the Wonder last November in the aftermath of Sandy so had to hit DMV for work and got it done today so now just an inspection is due once the situation at hand is corrected. I was so pumped to get this bug on the road after I got the MC switched out and the brakes bled. It cranked over on the first try and sounded sweet!!

My first attitude with my VW's is "first due no harm" but after having to replace one of the oil plate studs on the bus I thought this was a no brainer. And of course I had a spare one in my box. Should have snugged the nut up and walked away!! Hope this little exercise might educate some other owners in the same scenario. The bolt is the most forward one on the passenger side or as I described "laying under the car with your feet out the back it is at 11". Who knew!!

I'm sure I will be seeking advice on tricks of the trade to get this nut/stud to move. Since its been submerged in oil for 40 years the thought of rust is small.

Audrey

I'd replace it too, were it me. I don't think there's enough stud sticking out to get a die on it. Even if it were started, it would bottom out before cutting enough thread. Replacment is the way to go.

Reminds me- I need to change the oil in the buggy. It probably has 500 miles on it, but it is older than my son- who turns 10 next month.

Big_kid wrote:Even if it were started, it would bottom out before cutting enough thread. Replacment is the way to go.

very good point charlie.

Phase one complete. I was able to put the closed end of the 10mm wrench up over the nut and then I advanced the stud up into the case. After I had some clearance I backed it out with the vice grips. It came out in one shot. All that anxiety for nothing!!



Need to get a new stud. Think Ace would carry this and a locking nut since the one on there didn't look or drag like a locking nut. I'm sure that made the removal much easier or my weight lifting is paying off. There was a washer on it as well.



Hope the reverse process goes as well.

Half way there.