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Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:11 am
by rob711
So my confidence in my bug has been diminished. After realizing my vac advance can was shot I replaced the dist with a pertronix svda, I wanted to go pointless anyway, but now I'm questioning it's reliability. Glenn I feel I should have asked u ur thoughts. It's running fine as of now. I'm just questioning the life expectancy of the vac can on the new one. Moving on.
Po replaced the stock 34 pict bocar with a empi, like I said it runs well, cold it starts instantly once warm I have to keep pedal on floor to start, I read this is how vw instructed owners. I believe the empi will screw me so I'm trying to decide what next move is. I contacted volkzbitz from ts, he rebuilds bocars and solex. For 169$ he can rebuild my bocar, or 209$ for a rebuilt solex with my bocar for a core. Any advice, my hobby car is starting to irk the wife! Sure we could put that money towards furniture for the baby. Whatever!
Rob
Ps it did not help my confidence when all four lugs loosened on front left tire wheel Monday eve when I took it for a ride on sunken meadow parkway! Just me and my dog. No tools cause I took them out when I was working on it! Oh incase u wanted to know the lug wrench from a Subaru fits our lugs! Thanks passing Subaru guy. Older man "it's been a while since I've seen one of these" he said!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:14 am
by VwJay
Does that price include a re-bushed throttle shaft? If so I say it might be worth it to grab a new Carb. Provided it's matched the the distributor your using. I read all the time about people with running issues on later cars and it seems more times than not. It's because the carb and distributor are mismatched. Even when they are both in good working condition.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:05 pm
by Raj
Go with volksbiz, He's the man.. i have 2 or 3 of his carbs. They are re bushed and perform very nicely. And def get a german core..... Use the Bocar as a book end somewhere.
Agreed on the carb/ dist mismatch issue. Im happy with the 019 in my drivers.
Once you put some miles on it, you will build the confidence in it. Keep the car... the air cooled vw is a great econmoical transportation.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:15 pm
by rob711
Thanks guys. I'm going to go with the German 34 pict. I just installed the pertronix svda, due to the vac can crapping out. I wasn't sure I could get a good replacement also wanted to get rid of the points. I'm far from giving up on the car, no worries there! Now I just have to have the carb sent to my mothers house to hide the purchase from the wife. Thanks again
Rob
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:16 pm
by Raj
rob711 wrote: Now I just have to have the carb sent to my mothers house to hide the purchase from the wife. b
.... and delete this post!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:30 pm
by Tom
My 71 ran much smoother with vac advance than with the 009 but I am using those pesky points. (which I haven't touched in 3 years)

Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:45 pm
by rob711
no worries about the wife seeing this, although someone warn me if a women starts inquiring about a 83 beetle!
fantastic forum! Cant wait to kick back, shoot the shit , possible have a few beverages with you folks!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:29 pm
by ObnoxiousBlue
I'm with Tom... Ditch the Pertronix. Keep a spare set of points in the car. When a Pertronix fails you get stuck on the side of the road. When a set of points fail, you take 5 minutes to fix it and you're back on the road.
If you can't find a good SVDA talk to GR and pick up a nice fresh 019.
As for the lug bolts, you should make sure you have the correct lug bolts and that they seat properly, and are torqued properly.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:06 pm
by Glenn
019 is not a good match for a 34PICT-3.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:10 pm
by ObnoxiousBlue
Regardless, that would be a conversation that Rob could engage you in.
Perhaps it's something for him to consider when buying a new carb, or maybe there's a better combination out there than the parts he is considering.
My goal, was really to push him from the Pertronix. My bus burned through two. Timing issues aren't fun.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:04 pm
by Glenn
This site says:
This is a Bosch distributor that comes with the vacuum advance. Why settle for used, working or not, when you can buy a new one today. Fits Bug and Ghia '74-'79. THIS IS A LIMITED SUPPLY ONLY ONCE IT IS GONE, IT'S GONE!
http://www.eisparts.com/043905205.html
$250 (OUCH) but it's new and better than buying one for $130 and having it fail.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:34 am
by rob711
christ!! 250$ on top of 230$ for a carb! and my hot water heater just shit the bed!! ok, suggestions for a dist carb set up, I think id prefer getting away from vac advance. Its a stock engine, ive yet to do a compression test, hopefully this weekend, after i install hot water heater. Im a little nervous considering how things have been going latley, but i want to get an idea of its health. when i first got the car i remember looking up the engine number somewhere and there might have been a note about it being a low compression engine? Well all suggestions welcome. besides selling the car as my wife hinted..ha she thinks i have a drinking problem now!!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:56 am
by Glenn
Quality costs. In the case of the distributor, it's supply and demand... there's very few genuine Bosch left. As with the carb.. Tim does quality work. One of my restored distributors will cost you more.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:29 am
by rob711
i hear ya...thanks
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:01 am
by rob711
does anyone make a good vacuum advance can i can replace my shot original with?
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:39 am
by Glenn
Every can is different so you can't just put any can on.
This one might work best.
http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Vacuum-Adv ... 07-059.htm
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:22 am
by rob711
i saw that when i first started looking into all this, but to be honest i never took a distributer apart and i was not confident that it would work. I just wanted my bug running nice again, so for 150 i grabbed what aircooled refered to as the next best thing being that the svda they made was no longer avail.
Its running well now i just dont trust the carb and now the distributer is in question. Would i be dumb to stick with a 34 pict3? im going to have to do this in stages, carb then distributer. I'm close to pulling the trigger on a solex from volkzbitz but that carb is kinda specific to to a vac advance distributer. I dont trust the empi on there and keep the fire extingquisher at hand so i wanna replace that first. think i might go with the 34 pict3 then roll the dice on the current pertronix dist. i guess keep the original in car at all atimes!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:39 am
by VwJay
Your overthinking this. Does the car currently run? Run it and replace as you go. If it were me I'd do the distributor first. You can usually get a tired and worn carbs to run "ok" a mismatched one should yield similar results. Nursing a distributor is a little trickier. Get a good rebuilt or new correct vac can distributor for your car. make sure you have the metal tube that help keeps fuel from getting in the vac can. Dial it in as best you can and keep going. Then when funding becomes available go for a nice rebuilt correct/matching German carb then call it a day. Rack up the miles and move onto the next project.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:09 am
by rob711
so correct about over thinking!! lots on my mind, It runs well, i just get a drop of gas on the carb linkage every so often, and being an empi i realize the longevity is not there. After i take care of shit in my house i will work on the car, i got new fuel lines to install, then i will have to decide what to do, it just sucks to throw away the 150 from the new distributer. live and learn! Its still fun to play with and that was the point of the car, just getting a little costly. thanks all for advice i really appreiciate it. Yup i do have that metal pipe for vac advance. hmmm brings me back to rebuilding the original bocar, 30 bucks for rebuild kit wont hurt so much if it does not work out. just dont want a fire! the drippy empi scares me a tad.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:36 am
by VwJay
Throw away? Stash it for later or put it up for sale. 009s are not the greatest but people are still buying them. So I'm certain you could sell your distributor. Cheap or undesirable parts get bought and sold everyday. Some people don't care, or just don't know how a well tuned VW engines run. And it's not necessarily a bad distributor that you have. Just one that's not good for you.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:37 pm
by Tom
I totally agree with Jason, you could easily sell both or maybe post up on theSamba and see if someone wants to trade ?
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:38 am
by rob711
Well life got in the way of playing with my bug this weekend. I did take it to home depot to get staples for the insulation I was putting up in my daughters room, after I installed our new hot water heater, what fun! It ran great, I popped the hood when I got home and no gas drips, I did notice the rubber gas line I'm going to replace resting on the intake manifold, and the wire for oil sending unit on the pre heat tubes. Such a blast to drive. Thanks for reading, I will keep updated.
Rob
Ps after beer 4 or so Saturday night I ordered a rebuild kit for the original bocar, for 35$ I can say I tried!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:23 am
by VwJay
I have had great sucess with rebuilding carbs myself. Especially the relatively simple VW 1 barrel carbs. As long as the throttle shaft is not super worn out causing a massive air leak you should be fine. Another thing that helps. I picked up a ultrasonic jewelry cleaner from harbor freight a while back. And it's worked wonders cleaning the carbs I've done so far. Because it's on the smaller side. If the carb it too large to be fully submersed I just rotate it in the tank and do multiple cycles til it's done. And all I've ever used is a water/dish soap mix.
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:38 am
by rob711
My friend picked up same thing from hf for the same purpose. I actually borrowed his timing light and tack/dwell meter, I'm going to check it out when I return his stuff. Might pick up a timing light from hf. I don't think the original carb has been opened, still has factory tag on it, can't hurt to try. Thanks again, if the stupid job, wife, family, holidays didn't get in the way I'd have more time to do this stuff!
Re: Help me decide
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:50 am
by Glenn
Here's a real Bosch Mexico 205zb (SVDA) for $179.95.
http://www.busdepot.com/043905205