Maybe less since my rear brakes now work.realbluefoot wrote:Tell us if you get better mileage now.
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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End of the season (On the road again)
So on the way home from the 2nd Wednesday meeting I heard a tapping noise and assume it was just a loud valve. On Sunday I check the valves and all were prefect, but the tapping noise was still there. Today I dragged it over to GT where we double checked the valves and found them fine. We used a stethoscope to narrow it down but I could only tell that it was on the right side (#1 and #2). After removed each of the spark plugs I found #1 was a dead cylinder.
So something is going on and it looks like i'll be pulling the engine to find the cause. But before that I purchased a leak down tester and compression gauge so I can get some numbers and have a better clue as to what's going on.
Plans are to pull the engine and remove the right side cylinder head to take a look see.
I already removed the mufflers and fuel line. Next are the carbs and intake manifold so I can get to the spark plugs.
As they say Shit happens, but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
This also give me the opportunity to pull the tranny and have a noisy bearing replaced.
So something is going on and it looks like i'll be pulling the engine to find the cause. But before that I purchased a leak down tester and compression gauge so I can get some numbers and have a better clue as to what's going on.
Plans are to pull the engine and remove the right side cylinder head to take a look see.
I already removed the mufflers and fuel line. Next are the carbs and intake manifold so I can get to the spark plugs.

As they say Shit happens, but it's nothing that can't be fixed.
This also give me the opportunity to pull the tranny and have a noisy bearing replaced.
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
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Re: End of the season
Thanks Matt.
What i did today.



But before I removed the engine I did a compression test and a leak down test.
Compression
#1 100
#2 140
#3 138
#4 140
Leak down
#1 20%
#2 20%
#3 20%
#4 18%
I don't understand why #1 is not lower. Not sure what's causing the lower compression. I also have no clue what's causing the noise.
What i did today.



But before I removed the engine I did a compression test and a leak down test.
Compression
#1 100
#2 140
#3 138
#4 140
Leak down
#1 20%
#2 20%
#3 20%
#4 18%
I don't understand why #1 is not lower. Not sure what's causing the lower compression. I also have no clue what's causing the noise.
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
Wow, tough news for you. Looks like you're making a good plan. I'm sure you've got it figured out by now! Good luck.
Keep working at it and it gets done!!
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Re: End of the season
Here's the plugs. #1 looks good. #2 looks a bit rich.


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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
Didn't get to work on it, i was busy doing yard work.
But I did get my neighbor to help me move it to a dolly. The next thing is to redo the leak down test.
I also plan on removing the tranny and replacing a noisy bearing.

But I did get my neighbor to help me move it to a dolly. The next thing is to redo the leak down test.
I also plan on removing the tranny and replacing a noisy bearing.

Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Re: End of the season
thanks glenn.... keep us posted brother
Glenn wrote:I have to say, this "gruppe" is so much more than just a car club.
MrBreeze wrote: This is the DVG board. The threads flow as they flow.
Deal with it.
leakdown
when doing a leakdown test..when doing a cylinder besides your numerical reading..use your other senses..listen..if you hear the air escaping at the tailpipe..exhaust valve issue..at the throttle.intake valve issue..take off the oil cap and listen ..bad rings..under car..bad headgasket...leadown is a much better diagnostic tool compared to compression
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I did hear air escaping on all the cylinders... 20%MURF wrote:when doing a leakdown test..when doing a cylinder besides your numerical reading..use your other senses..listen..if you hear the air escaping at the tailpipe..exhaust valve issue..at the throttle.intake valve issue..take off the oil cap and listen ..bad rings..under car..bad headgasket...leadown is a much better diagnostic tool compared to compression

I could not pinpoint exactly where it was coming from. I use some matches to create smoke but that didn't help either. I'm gonna retest when I can and maybe borrow a smoke machine.
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: leakdown
Was going to ask what a leakdown test is but you beat me to it! Was exactly is the engine doing in this process that you get this air moving through or are you forcing air through with a compressor?MURF wrote:when doing a leakdown test..when doing a cylinder besides your numerical reading..use your other senses..listen..if you hear the air escaping at the tailpipe..exhaust valve issue..at the throttle.intake valve issue..take off the oil cap and listen ..bad rings..under car..bad headgasket...leadown is a much better diagnostic tool compared to compression
Keep working at it and it gets done!!
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Re: End of the season
Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofSiTGeLXvc
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
I started taking it apart.

The right side head needs to come off to be examined.

The right side head needs to come off to be examined.
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Re: End of the season
MOST GOOD SHOPS DO LEAKDOWN AS PART OF THE DISASEMBLING PROCESS.WE DO LEAKDOWN ON COMPLETED ENGINES BEFORE ROCKER INSTALL TO CHECK THE QUALITY OF THE WORK WE PAID MACHINE SHOP TO PERFORM
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Re: End of the season
Now it's a long block.

I have to say it's a pleasure to work on a engine that's not all rusted up. The exhaust nuts came right off but I did have to "persuade" the header pipes to come apart.
I just need a hand getting it up on my engine stand and then i can remove the head.

I have to say it's a pleasure to work on a engine that's not all rusted up. The exhaust nuts came right off but I did have to "persuade" the header pipes to come apart.
I just need a hand getting it up on my engine stand and then i can remove the head.
Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
Glenn I'am off wednesday. If you still need a hand give me a shout. Ed
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Re: End of the season
Thanks Ed, i'm not sure if i want to work on it in my cold garage or at GT where there's heat.
Glenn
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When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Re: End of the season
I'll be around so if you need a hand puttin it in the honda give me a call.
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Re: End of the season
As a side note, a big thumbs-up to Glenn for posting so many great photos as he works. Not to mention everyone else who posts lots of photos. Makes reading a lot more engaging and fun.
Glenn wrote:DVG, we see all.
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Re: End of the season
Glenn, just go stock.
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Old VW's are like dead hookers at the beach...they're hiding everywhere and if you're lucky you'll find one that's not rotted away!
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Old VW's are like dead hookers at the beach...they're hiding everywhere and if you're lucky you'll find one that's not rotted away!
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Re: End of the season
Been there 4 years ago.realbluefoot wrote:Glenn, just go stock.

And it's still sitting in my garage.

Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Re: End of the season
GR.... nice to see you getting your hands dirty and working like an avg joe on the cold concrete like the rest of us. LOL
Its also nice to see further evidence that a car is never done. A guy once chuckled when i said I have a few things lined for the next time I have my motor out ( i have that list for every VW i own). IMHO, to think its 'done' is foolish. No matter how nice, now much $$ you have dumped, how fast etc..... ongoing maintenance in critical. These old cars are super reliable but they are still old, and an an old technology. Its tried and true... yes, but they do need some attn.
Thanks for sharing your story gr.
Its also nice to see further evidence that a car is never done. A guy once chuckled when i said I have a few things lined for the next time I have my motor out ( i have that list for every VW i own). IMHO, to think its 'done' is foolish. No matter how nice, now much $$ you have dumped, how fast etc..... ongoing maintenance in critical. These old cars are super reliable but they are still old, and an an old technology. Its tried and true... yes, but they do need some attn.
Thanks for sharing your story gr.
Glenn wrote:I have to say, this "gruppe" is so much more than just a car club.
MrBreeze wrote: This is the DVG board. The threads flow as they flow.
Deal with it.
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Re: End of the season
Actually i'm going to take advantage of the car being apart and looking into having the tranny gone through (noisy bearing) and sending the car to Tim at 401 restoration to have a few body/paint issues done.
After all... I have another hotrod I can use in the meantime.

After all... I have another hotrod I can use in the meantime.

Glenn
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"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
When you mess with the bull, you get the horns.